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Hindu-Christian Discussion-10

P,

This should worry the Christians/Americans as much as seeing a tsunami coming while on the beach.

 

Regards,
-S

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From: Act for America [mailto:actforamerica@donationnet.net]
Subject: Muslim Day Parade

 

Muslim Day Parade
New York City, October 12, 2008

Dear S,

The website Atlas Shrugs contains pictures, video and commentary from the recent Muslim Day Parade in New York City.

There you will see pictures and video of Muslims carrying an American flag – with the stars in the box replaced by the Islamic star and crescent.

You will see New York City police officers, in uniform and apparently on duty, stopping to pray.

You will see an intense confrontation between a Muslim and a Jewish woman. The Muslim crosses a barrier to confront the woman, eventually calling her a “whore.”

These are just a few examples of the troubling and unsettling pictures, video and commentary. We caution you — there is some profanity and at times the scenes are intense.

The person covering the parade states:

“I have been covering these things for three years now and as I have recently said, there ha s been a palpable change. It is getting uglier, more aggressive – violent even.”

To log on to the website and see coverage of the parade, click here.

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ACT for America
P.O. Box 6884
Virginia Beach, VA 23456
www.actforamerica.org

 

 

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S,

Thanks for sending this information.  It is alarming.

-P

Hindu-Christian Discussion-9

 

 

S,

Wanted to pass on this information from my friend in India, a native Pastor.

-P

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Dear … ,

 

For your kind prayers, I wish to send the below report of the present situation in Orissa state. We prayerfully take effort to do some relief work, support victims and to reconstruct the church buildings.

 

We request your prayers for protection of Christian community in India, especially in the state of Orissa now.

 

Yours in Him

 

-G

 

 

1) NUN BURNT ALIVE: A nun was burnt to death on 25th, Monday, after an orphanage was torched in at Phutpali in Bargarh district in Orissa during a bandh called by Hindu nationalist parties. Twenty children, who were at the orphanage, managed to escape but a priest suffered serious burn injuries in the attack.

2) RASANANDA PRADHAN TORCHED ALIVE: Another person, Rasananda Pradhan, was burnt to death when his house was set ablaze at Rupa village in Kandhamal district.

3) INFLAMMATORY SPEECHES TARGET CHRISTIANS: During the bandh inflammatory speeches spreading hatred against the Christian workers and the community were given by the VHP leaders. To gain the mass support, the activists have also carried the body of Swamiji throughout the town.

4) CHURCHES BURNT ALL ACROSS ORISSA STATE: Churches were attacked in Khurda, Bargarh, Sundergarh, Sambalpur, Koraput, Boudh, Mayurbhanj, Jagatsinghpur and Kandhamal districts as also in the state capital, police sources said, adding 40 houses were set ablaze in Phulbani town.

5) BUSES AND VEHICLES TORCHED: Mr. Mishra Digal was beaten up, while the motorcycles of Mr. R. K. Digal and Jitendra were burnt. Several buses at Gee Udaigiri in Baliguda were burnt.

6) PULBANI CHURCH RANSACKED: The Church at Phulbani, and several other churches at Phiringia were attacked and ransacked. Pastor D. Tatson’s house was vandalized and his property burnt.

7) KAKRIGUMA CHURCHES VANDALISED: Churches in Kakriguma have been targeted by the mob that reportedly damaged the Assembly Of God Church and the Philadelphia Church.

8) WORLD VISION STAFF FLED FOR SAFETY: World Vision India office ransacked and the Staff has also fled to jungle for protection.

9) CHRISTIANS TAKE SHELTER IN FOREST FOR PROTECTION: A police camp at Barakhama was also attacked by the Hindu fundamentalists. With several houses being burnt down and people being made homeless, many Christians, particularly from Nua Sahi, Munda Sahi and Suna Tonga have fled into forests for their lives.

10) NUN RAPED: A young Catholic Nun of the Cuttack Bhubaneswar diocese working Jan Vikas Kendra, the Social Service Centre at Nuagaon in Kandhamal was reportedly gang raped on 24th August 2008 by groups of Hindutva extremists before the building itself was destroyed.

11) SENIOR PRIEST AND NUN INJURED: Fr Thomas, director of the Diocesan Pastoral Centre in Kanjimendi, less than a kilometer away from the Social Service Centre, and another Nun were injured when the centre was attacked. They were taken to the police station in a disheveled state as the armed mob bayed for their blood. The Pastoral centre was then set afire.

12) BALLIGUDA CHURCH BUILDINGS DESTROYED AGAIN: On 24th August 2008 evening lynch mobs at the block headquarters of Balliguda, in the very heart of Kandhamal district, which had seen much violence between 24th and 26th December 2007, attacked and destroyed a Presbytery, convent and hostel dam aging the properties.

13) CHRISTIAN BOYS HEADS TONSURED: The mobs in Balliguda caught hold of two boys of the Catholic hostel and tonsured their heads.

14) PHULBANI CHURCH DAMAGED: On 25th august 2008 morning followers of the late Lakshmanananda Saraswati damaged the Catholic Church in Phulbani, the district headquarter town.

15) MOTHER TERESA BROTHERS ASHRAM ATTACKED: Mobs attacked the Mother Teresa Brothers’ residence and hospital in Srasanada, destroyed once before and rebuilt two months ago, and beat up the patients.

16) BHUBANESWAR BISHOP’S HOUSE ATTACKED: On the morning of 25th August 2008, violent mobs made several attempts to enter the compounds of Catholic Church and Archbishop’s house in the heart of the Capital of the State of Orissa. They could not enter because of the police presence. They threw stones at the guesthouse of Archbishop’s House, damaging windows.

17) DUBURI PARISH: Another group of fundamentalists entered presbytery in Duburi parish, managed by the SVDs and destroyed and damaged property. Two priests of the parish are missing.

18) Mr. Jamaj Pariccha, Director of Gramya Pragati, is attacked and his property damaged, vehicle looted and burnt.

19) A Baptist Church in Akamra Jila in Bhubaneswar is also damaged.

20) Christian institutions like St. Arnold’s School (Kalinga Bihar) and NISWASS report some damage.

21) BOUDH DISTRICT [Adjoining Kandhamal]: Fundamentalists enter the Catholic parish church and destroy property. People are fleeing to safer places. But nothing seems safe.

22) MUNIGUDA: Muniguda Catholic Fathers and Nuns’ residence have been damaged.

23) SAMBALPUR: HM Sister’s residence (Ainthapalli) has suffered damage.

24) PADANPUR: One priest is attacked and admitted to a hospital. Hostel boys and the in charge have moved away from the place.

25) MADHUPUR: Madhupur Catholic Church currently under attack.

26) SMALL CHURCHES: Attempted violence on small churches in various districts, including Padampur, Sambalpur near GM College, Talsera, Dangsoroda, Narayanipatara, Muniguda, Tummiibandh, Tangrapada, Phulbani, Balliguda, Kalingia, Chakapad, Srasanranda.

27) VILLAGE CHRISTIAN HOUSES ATTACKED: Houses attacked on forest hamlets of Balliguda, Kanjamandi Nuaguam (K.Nuaguam), Tiangia (G.Udayagiri), Padangiri, Tikabali.

28) KALAHANDI DISTRICT: Houses burnt even though the district is more than 300 kilometers from the place where Swami Lakshmanananda was killed.

29) PASTORS’ HOUSE BURNT: Pastor Sikandar Singh of the Pentecostal Mission beaten up and his house burnt in Bhawanipatna.

30) KHARIHAR: 3 Christian shops were looted and burnt. Pastor Alok Das and Pastor I M Senapati beaten up.

31) AAMPANI: Pastor David Diamond Pahar, Pastor Pravin Ship, Pastor Pradhan and Pastor Barik beaten up and chased away with their families.

32) NAKTIKANI: Mob surrounds village to attack Christians.

The government has sent forces, it is reported. A delegation of Christian leaders under the leadership of Archbishop Vincent Concessao, the President of National United Christian Forum of CBCI, NCCI and EFI, met the Home Minister Shri Shiv Raj Patil and submitted a memorandum. The Home Minister assured the delegation all necessary steps have been taken to maintain peace and harmony and protect the innocent. He also expressed his helplessness by stating that police protection cannot be given in all villages.

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Like a potter who prepares his own vessels through Fire, even God too prepares His own chosen vessels through fire in order carry out the fire of God!!!  Isa. 43: 2.

 

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P,

 

It really is not necessary to send the armies of missionaries and billions of $s to harvest the Hindu souls there. The Pope and the missionaries’ leaders do not seem to understand it yet. The media is biased and is not helping the majority, unfortunately. The mission of converting the whole world, and go out in far corners of the foreign lands to do it is considered aggression or violence by some and by the Vedic dharma. Islam, the brutal competitor of Christianity is spreading right in US at home. The need is to stop that first before going out in the world.

 

That said, I wish that no person does any sin. Pray that all stop sinning.

 

Regards,
S

Hindu-Christian Discussion-8

S,

 

During the month of June I visited the countries of Japan and China and it was a most remarkable experience.  We met in Tokyo with people from churches around the globe and were able to visit some of the Christian churches, where Christianity is a very small minority, only about 5% of the population.  The primary religion is Shintoism and Buddhism, but in actuality over 80% claims no personal religion.

 

During our visits in several cities in China, we encountered many evidences of Buddhist shrines and learned that Buddhism and Daoism were the dominant religious groups.  Communism sought to eliminat4e all religious groups during their takeover but discovered it is easier to place controls over their practices.  Christianity was forced to go underground and today there are many “house churches” in all the provinces but still their numbers are small, but much larger than in Japan.

 

-P

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P,

 

Going to convert the people who are following the eastern religions is a waste of time and resources in my view. The reason is simple: None of them are out to convert the whole world, and they never want to convert anyone against his/her will. So, they are not any threat to Christianity. Therefore, I wish and pray that the Christians engage all their missionaries to convert all the Muslims wherever they are, and none else.

 

If any group has friendly interest to know the Vedic dharma, let me know, and I would be happy to share.

 

Jai Sri Krishna!

-S

Hindu-Christian Discussion-7

P,

 

Here are my answers after the questions.

 

1. Does Hinduism have Temples or places of worship beside the shrines?

 

A: Shrines are in the memory of great saints and spiritual masters. Usually they are at a sacred place where a temple could be around. We in Bharat have many temples for a lot of devas and devis and god in different forms and names as given in the Vedic scriptures. The non-Vedics think we worship stones there. Mostly, they never inquired what we are worshipping, and how it works. Or, they do not have enough intelligence to understand it. Or, they hate it simply because it is not allowed in their Books.

 

2. If you do have Temples, is it for individual worship or do you have corporate times of worship when believers congregate or come together?

 

A: The whole world is a temple for the Vedic people. However, temples have been built at nice naturally beautiful and clean places like river bank, ocean shore, mountain top, etc. No temple is made by ordinary common people. They are built by the leadership and inspiration of some great saints or gurus. Common people then help as they could to build it. The soul of the temple is this saint/guru and his disciples after he/she departs. A temple is a dharma infrastructure for the society. It helps all to advance spiritually. Almost every one in Bharat will tell that just going to a temple and just sit there gives them peace. It is my experience as well.

 

Just putting a moorti (the idols as the non-vedics call it) does not make the place a temple. The Vedas provide a process of invoking life-force of the deity in the moorti. After that ceremony, called praaNa prathishThaa, the moorti is no more a stone. It is the deity in person.

 

Usually temples are open most of the time of any day. One could go individually or in groups any time. On some holy days, celebrations occur at the temples, then a large mass of people gather and participate.

 

Last month a Christian university invited me to give an educational talk on the Hindu dharma. They had given me two hours. They kept listing me for more than 3-hours, and still they were interested to know more. So, if any group/church you know has friendly interest to know the Vedic dharma as it is in the scriptures let me know. I will be pleased to come and talk. We do not share info about dharma with those who hate it.

 

Hope this helps you.

 

Jai Sri Krishna!

S

 

Hindu-Christian Discussion-6

P,

 

We wish merry Christmas …

 

God has come (incarnates) on this earth and other planets many times, and will keep coming. He (Krishna) says why as follows:

 

Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion–at that time I descend Myself. In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I advent Myself millennium after millennium. -Gita 4-7, 4-8

 

The world needs to appreciate that the Vedic dharma tells humans to not shake (loosen) other’s faith, whatever it is. Only in friendly and rational debase the Hindus support the Vedic or challenge other’s faith.

 

However, when on earth, His body is always spiritual, but appears to the humans as like any other human. His acts however are superhuman or miraculous to the extent needed to serve His purpose of incarnation (avatar).

 

The Vedic people have no problem of Mary being virgin. Srimad Bhagavatam describes a number of ways how at some times children were produced without sex. Brahma had produced children out of his mind. Kunti was made pregnant by the Sungod without engaging in sex. A great king died without a son, and the rishis produced his son by rubbing/shaking his thigh. Etc.

 

A few days ago I was flipping TV channels and stopped at a movie about Jesus. In a gathering he says, “eat my blood and flesh.” To a Vedic person, eating other human is sin, and eating or injuring a godly person is a very big sin. A godly person can benefit humans more by being alive than dead. Not killing any animals or humans for food is always beneficial for spiritual advancement. Additionally, in the vast Vedic literature, there is no example of anyone (an avatar or a godly person) telling others like that (eat me). God already has given plenty of foods to eat to mankind (except in deserts.) A serious Vedic person (except kshatriyas class) would prefer to die of hunger than eat flesh or blood of any animal or man. On can also argue, if eating Jesus is okay, then eating any human being should also be okay. However, Jesus also says, “Thou shall not kill.” So, killing or eating Jesus does not suit to the Vedic people.

 

Regards,

-S

 

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S,

 

Christmas is a special holiday for Christians around the world as we celebrate the birth of Jesus.  It is unfortunate that it has become such a commercial extravaganza but the business enterprise always looks for ways to advance their financial endeavors.  However my focus is on Jesus Christ and I simply want to share some key elements that are related to his birth.

 

Since Christians are by definition believers in and followers of Christ, our understanding of Christ is central and determinative of the very character of the Christian faith.  Our faith rests on Jesus actually being God in human flesh, and not simply an extraordinary human being.

 

The Bible indicates in John 1:1,14, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.”  Jesus Christ came into the world in human flesh.  By coming into the world as a man, He voluntarily set aside the independent use of His divine attributes and took on the form of a man.  He was fully human, a man in every way, except He was without sin.  This teaching is referred to as the “incarnation.”

 

The word “incarnation” means “in-flesh-ment”.  When we speak of the incarnation of the Son of God, Christ Jesus, we mean God in the flesh – God manifest in the flesh.  At His birth, Jesus was fully God and fully man.  He was born of a woman, the Virgin Mary and he grew in stature and wisdom as a normal boy.  He had human emotions, thirst and hunger and had a body like any other human person.  His mother Mary’s pregnancy was like any other pregnancy, with the important exception that she was a virgin when Jesus was born.

 

-P

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Jai Sri Krishna.

Hindu-Xian Discussion-5
P,

 

Yes, I know what you said below.

 

In general sense, just a belief and no action in accordance with the belief cannot help. Also, if a belief is incorrect, it could not help. When a belief-induced actions cause suffering to other innocent living beings, then the Vedic literature says that such actions incur sin.

 

When a religion ‘C’ says, “this is the only way to god or haven or peace in the world,”, and a religion ‘I’ says, “no, not that, but this is the only way to god or haven or peace in the world,” then these two need to settle to seek the truth. If any faith or belief does not give freedom to seek the truth in any manner, then such believers cause suffering for them and others.

 

In one society, their religion rigidly dictates how the politics should be. In another, the politics dictates how the religion should be. So, religion and politics influence each other openly or secretly, overtly or covertly.

 

The religions could be compared with each other for some definite criteria, like:

– has the religion caused peace in the world historically?

– is the religion tolerating the tolerant faith?

– what the religion says about how to treat an infidel?

– etc.

 

Then a religion could be chosen by an educated rational decision.

A few religions do not give that freedom to choose, and that causes problems to not only to them but to other as well.

 

Wishing you sin-free living.

-S

 

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S,

 

…  In the Christian faith, we are not born into that faith, even if our parents are Christian believers.  We must make a decision either to accept or not to accept the faith of following Jesus in our life.  My Mother took me to a Christian faith church when I was about eight years old but I did not make a decision to follow Jesus until I was about 12 or 13.  Shortly afterward, I was baptized in my church in a public declaration of my faith in Jesus and a desire to follow Him.  In our church, baptism is a total of immersion of the person in water and it does not have to be in a church.  It could be in a lake,  river, or ocean or other body of water.  The location is not what is important but the attitude of the heart.  It is an expression of one’s love of God and the giving of His Son, Jesus, who died for our sins.  We are not saved by the baptism but by the belief in our heart that Jesus is our Saviour.  The baptism is simply the public witness to our faith.

 

Wish for you a blessed week,

-P

 

Jai Sri Krishna.

Hindu-Christian Discussion-4

P,

A serious Vedic person cannot be hostile to any one, but he/she surely will resist adharma, internal or external. Any ideologies that produce large number of fundamentalists (over and over in the history) who want to convert or kill (or discriminate in various ways) also need to be resisted. So, I am not hostile to Christians, but I have given reasons why they have no need to convert the Vedic people. I believe I have said that the Vedic gurus understand Jesus better than many Christians, but Jesus is just one of millions other great spiritual persons in the Vedic history. Spirituality is no one’s monopoly. So, path to god is open for all, even infidels, in their own ways that one could judge right or wrong. Vedic people have the complete science of spirituality, and they do not need to import in Bharat anything from other cultures.

 

It sure is nice if you could live like Jesus, but check if your donations are going to convert the Hindus in Bharat. If it does, then I request you stop such donations, and divert for some better efforts.

 

Just living like Jesus is good, but it is better when you could motivate the Christians to stop conversion efforts, especially in Bharat, executed in militaristic manner.

 

All the Christian missionaries have plenty to do here in the western countries and in the Islamic countries. No need to go to Bharat for conversion or enticements.

 

Wishing you sin-free life.

 

-S

 

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S,

 

…I certainly get a sense that you have had experiences or encounters with Christians that were very hurtful and harmful to you and your people.  I apologize for any action on the part of Christians that were responsible for your anger and resentment toward the efforts of these Christians that you personally witnessed or have heard about in your lifetime.

 

Your writing indicates a lot of hostility toward Christians and I am sorry for that and cannot justify any damaging attitudes or practices done in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

Not all followers of Jesus have learned to live the lifestyle that Jesus called them to and that is due to the weakness of their faith and lack of commitment.

 

The core of the Christian faith is what I seek to appropriate in my life and I do what I can to help other believers in Jesus to develop their spiritual life and to have an increased awareness of the importance of a dedicated life.

 

From a follower of Jesus,

P

 

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Jai Sri Krishna.

 

Hindu–Christian Discussion-3

P,

 

Greetings!

 

I request the preachers of all the non-Vedic religions to please totally stop any conversion activity in Bharat, and give up converting Hindus for the following reasons:

 

1. Vedic dharma is one of a very few religions that tells not to convert any one by force or enticement or financial lures or political pressures. For this reason, the Hindus have no armies or preachers to the harvest souls of other religions.

 

2. The thousands of years old Vedic history shows that Hindus have not invaded other countries by force and never have converted any one by force. This cannot be said of Christianity or Islam. The Hindus never have killed any one just because he/she is not a Hindu.

 

3. Any ritual or practice or concepts of Hindu dharma is not taking away the freedom (of thought, speech, and action) of the people of the tolerant faiths, and it does not cause any hindrance to non-Hindus.

 

4. The Hindus in Bharat have easily provided entry to those who migrate to save their lives and or religion. Zoroastrians migrated from Iran because of the threat from Islam, and we happily accepted them in our society. We never have problem from them, and we never discriminated them for any reason. The same could be said for the Jews who came/migrated to Bharat. This remarkable phenomenon is due to the Vedic dharma.

 

5. Vedic dharma in inherently tolerant of other tolerant faiths.

 

6. Vedic dharma is the complete science of spirituality. I invite all the open minded intelligent people to study Bhagavad Gita – THE BOOK – of Hinduism. An intelligent person should not think of changing or replacing something that is so good. For example, when you know there is pure water in a bottle, you do not need to do anything to improve it, because it could not be made any better, it already is pure.

 

7. Hindus has never enslaved other people. Islam, Christianity, and Egyptian cultures have history of forcing slavery upon other peoples.

 

8. The Hindus did malpractice dharma (and there may still be some Hindus malpracticing  dharma) though, and that is very sad for me. So, if any non-Vedic wants to make them give up any malpractice of dharma, then contact me or the Vedic gurus or Vedic organizations, and provide them help so that they can lead the Hindus to give up any mal-practice.

 

9. For 1000 years Islam has cause immense suffering, killings, and destruction of Hindu dharma and temples and Vedic literature by invasions and force in Bharat. Christians have done some too, especially in Goa. Christianity is famous for killing other cultures and religions. Despite such suffering in Bharat, the Vedic dharma is still alive. This fact should tell the aggressors that there is something of value in it, and therefore Vedic people should be left alone.

 

10. The practicing Vedic person is color blind, meaning he/she does not see skin color, race, religion, sex, etc. He sees the soul and supersoul in each living being. Therefore he greets people with namaste or namaskaar (folded hands, meaning “the supersoul within you and within is the same god.”) Also, this method of greeting without body contact avoids spread of germs, if any.

This fact could be verified by the fact that the hare Krishnas in the western world have people from all the races, and skin colors and religions.

 

11. The Vedic paradigm is that no one is a sinner, and there is permanent hell for any one, and that all have equal opportunity to peruse spiritual progress and realize god, and or be happy and make others happy. The Vedic prayers are universal in nature, encompassing all the people and other lives. To the Hindus “god blesses America” is not broad enough. God can bless all the people and countries. That is how the concept of Vedic gods is. No Vedic God is jealous of any one, and there is no personality like Devil.

 

I could come up with a few more reasons, but please let me if this is enough. What I am saying is against the direction of the Pope. Our friendship will strengthen more if you could understand what I am saying. You have no loss in giving up converting the Hindus. Besides, there are internal problems within the western and Islam society where your philanthropic efforts could be directed. If you must convert, please convert the Muslims. The world will be better without Islam. I have no doubt about it. In any case, it has no right to stay where it has invaded by force.

 

An open minded student of Vedic dharma eventually will realize that if world peace is to be achieved, then it will come only by promoting Vedic dharma. Because the Abrahamic religions are hostile against all the infidels and against each other. Their interest is to possess lands, resources, and control over lives of other peoples. A verse from Isopanishad comes to mind, but will share it when I see you have interest to know.

 

If you see something good in my writing, please share with other preachers who could take it positively and not in any unfriendly manner.

 

Wishing you sin-free life.

 

-S

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S,

 

…

I came across an article written by Dr. Lamin Sanneh, Professor at Yale, who wrote about his involvement in interfaith dialogue between Christians and Muslims.  I know you don’t especially have a high regard for Muslims but I will use his words to get across a brief message.  He was raised in a Muslim home but is now a follower of Jesus.  Here is now a portion of his remarks:

 

“When he addresses Muslims, Sanneh cautions them to consider lessons learned by the medieval Christian Church.  Ally religion too closely to the state, and you open your faith to corruption and abuse of power.  Christian experiments with church-state blending, whether in Geneva under Calvin, Britain under Cromwell, or Spain and Latin America under the Inquisition, may have worked for a time but inevitably provoked a backlash.  In fundamentalist Iran, a similar backlash is already in motion.  As one concerned Iranian intellectual told a visiting Harvard professor, “Thes(e) young people may be lost to Islam forever…they follow the conventions of Islamic dress and custom, because they are required to do so by law, but inside their hearts are hollow and cynical.  We are lsoing (losing) an entire generation of unbelievers in our zeal to force conformity.”

 

He continues, “Christians and other religious groups face opposite challenges.  We in the West have something to learn from cultures that do not push religion to the margins, that see faith as affecting all of life, and that look to religious leaders for guidance on societal and ethical issues.

 

Meanwhile, nations in the East where Islam or Hindu are in the majority, have something to learn from the Christian West, which has found liberal democracy to be the best way to protect minorities rights as nations become increasingly multicultural.  Not to learn those lessons leads to disaster as in playing out in the the “clash of civilizations right now.”

 

How thankful I am for America and the freedom of all religions to worship as they are led and to share their faith with no restrictions.  How I wish that Christianity would the same freedom in countries where Islam and Hinduism are in the majority, as they have here in America.

 

-P

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Jai Sri Krishna.

 

P,

 

Hi, I am the Vedic guy who met you at the base gym, and we exchanged our cards.

 

As I indicated, let me know if small or large groups have open mind and interest to know what the Vedic dharma really is. As I indicated the Vedic dharma, whose incorrect name is Hindu dharma, tells to not convert any one by force or economic or other pressures or entices. It is universal and presents the complete science of spirituality. The world needs to appreciate that this most ancient Vedic dharma and culture has never killed any culture, nor has invaded or killed for conversion.

 

I have some request for the Christian preachers, but before I tell it to you, I need to do something to assure you that I am you friend, not your competitor or opponent.

 

My prayer to God is that the Christian preachers divert all their efforts and resources in converting Islam followers till the terror factories are closed, and no one thinks of opening any again. This is possible by civil programs with a well planned education system. Military power cannot win terrorism that is an asymmetrical warfare of very long duration, and never will end till Kuran is preached.

 

More later after your response.

 

Thank you so much for your email message.  I had to go back to review some of the teachings and principles of Vedic dharma and there are certainly some common ground with Christianity.  We both believe in a spiritual path according to the respective codes of conduct, a spiritual discipline.  Even the ten essential rules of dharma are very similar to principles found in the Bible.

Christianity would have a problem with “karma”, which says our future life is determined by our actions and our faith would emphasize the grace and forgiveness of God.  The Christian faith would emphasize the fact that Jesus’ death on the cross paid the price for our sins.  In Christianity God took the initiative to provide hope for all people.  The Christian faith would also have a problem with reincarnation but at least there are some areas of agreement.  We always give respect to one another, even though there may be differences.

 

Blessings,

Hi P,

 

Thanks you for the message. Sure, all religions have some things common. The humans, however, have experienced severe conflicts due to the differences all along the history.

 

I have copied and pasted your second paragraph and then inserted my response to your lines below.

 

Christianity would have a problem with “karma”,

 

S: Christianity had faith in re-incarnation till some 300 years after Jesus. I could quote a book that talks about it if you wish. A nuclear physicist and devotee Vasu Murthy has written a 1200-pages book after through research in Christian literature showing that Christianity had so many things common with the Vedic dharma that they need to support Vedic dharma (bhakti yoga) rather than oppose or convert them.

 

which says our future life is determined by our actions and our faith would emphasize the grace and forgiveness of God.

 

S: Krishna in Gita has not said that our (means any person’s) fate is solely determined by one’s past karma only. There is more detail there that I could share if you wish to know.

 

The Christian faith would emphasize the fact that Jesus’ death on the cross paid the price for our sins.

 

S: Yes I know it, but the Vedic people have difficulty understanding how one could pay for the sins of un-borns and born after Jesus departed. Besides, the Vedic dharma encourages all to live every moment of life as much sin-free as one could, and strive to live sin-free. Also any sins could be forgiven/wiped out by God and His pure devotees (saints). But that is up to God and the saints whether to do it or not. Also, a Vedic person does not like some one pay/suffer for his/her sins, because it is not fair. However, saints do have capability to take over others’ sins and suffer. Some do it out of compassion; but a Vedic person will not ask a saint to suffer for what the person did. To do so is to totally misuse a saint. One has to learn to live sin-free from saints.

 

In Christianity God took the initiative to provide hope for all people.

 

S: He is not alone. Each person of any time and place has equal opportunity to realize god and become godly, says Krishna in Gita.

 

The Christian faith would also have a problem with reincarnation but at least there are some areas of agreement.

 

S: There are books describing how many people, even small children, somehow did not forget their past life. Karma and re-incarnation are related. Gita has all the essence about it. I could discuss more when I see interest to know.

 

We always give respect to one another, even though there may be differences.

 

S: That is very good and nice. I would say that no one has to worry about the Vedic people. The greatest deadly force against Christianity is I S L A M. Both these ideologies are not comfortable with all and any non-believer, as I see it. The tension has worsened because one has oil and another has greatest need for it due to car-culture, and a few other reasons.

 

I hope you will take the discussion positively.

 

I pray God help us understand higher and higher spiritual truths, and help us live sin-free.

 

Sincerely,

What freedom bible does not give?

Bible does not give freedom to be morally pure or without sin and guilt.  The Bible makes it very clear that we were made with a free will, even to the point of rejecting God and His mercy and love, but never without trespasses and sins.  Bible indicates that “all have sinned” and are apart from the grace of God.  Even though we all have sin as our nature and are guilty in God’s sight, forgiveness is possible.

 

What does bible say about how to look at and treat non-Christians?

We know that the essential being of God is love, so that when He made us in his own image, he gave us a capacity to love as he loves.  God’s two great commandments are to love him and each other, for this is our destiny.  A truly human existence is impossible without love.  This love is not only to fellow Christians but to all people.  So, to non-Christians we are to show respect to their person and to their beliefs and convictions and to share with them the Christian faith, as you and I are doing.

 

Definition of spirituality

It would be a focus on sacred things as the spirit, distinguished from the physical.  It could be an adoration of a god, but not necessarily since some new age philosophies look at the spiritual sense as a force or a being or a higher power.

 

Spiritually advanced if not a Christian?

Using this general definition it is certainly possible to be spiritually advanced and not be a Christian.  However in Christian circles we use the phrase “spiritual growth’ or the “spirit-filled life” and this would be a little different because it is focused on a personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit, and would only be possible for the Christian believer.

 

QUESTIONS

 

Does “enlightenment” or “faith” ever come into being through reason, logic, or knowledge?

 

I have a hard time understanding the “caste system”.  How do you justify placing people into these categories when the government has declared it illegal?

 

One of the cardinal tenets of Christianity is the resurrection of Jesus from the dead?  How do you respond to this claim?

 

I am grateful for this opportunity to share with you and for us to learn from each other.

 

P,

 

 

What freedom bible does not give?

Bible does not give freedom to be morally pure or without sin and guilt.  The Bible makes it very clear that we were made with a free will, even to the point of rejecting God and His mercy and love, but never without trespasses and sins.  Bible indicates that “all have sinned” and are apart from the grace of God.  Even though we all have sin as our nature and are guilty in God’s sight, forgiveness is possible.

 

S: This paradigm, that we all are sinners is not in the Vedic dharma, because we or I of a person is the soul, and god is supersoul within the heart of each living being. There is complete knowledge of this eternal soul in the Vedic literature and in Bhagavad Gita, THE BOOK of Vedic dharma. I have not found this knowledge in Bible. The supersoul and a soul are qualitatively identical like an inferno is identical to a small spark of fire, but quantitatively a soul is like a small spark with limited power, compared to the supersoul, God, that has infinite power. A soul is not as much able to control the material energies as God is. All the energy in the universe is owned by God. … Because God is sin-free, a soul is sin-free too. There is eternal loving relation between a soul and the supersoul. This material universe is only 25% of God’s creation. The rest is the spiritual universe where the population of the souls is very large compared to the population in this material universe. There the souls live with god and other souls in bliss. … God never takes way freedom of the souls because he loves them all equally. When some few souls desire to control the material energy as God does, then God helps them forget Him, and sends them to take birth in the material world. It is not possible to take birth here unless one forgets God. So, God’s potency – maayaa (illusion)- helps a soul to forget God, and the soul takes birth in the material world. Here in the material world there is no bliss or permanent joy as it is in the spiritual world. So, the soul suffers ore than it enjoys and after one or many many births it ultimately finds out that it was not its wise decision to control the material energy like God does. Then after it may choose to go back to god; and following one of several processes given in Gita a soul progresses towards God and finally goes back to the spiritual universe.  .. So now, what is sin? It is sin to obstruct one’s spiritual progress towards god. Sin is what causes suffering in this or next life. To kill a living being is sin. So, even eating vegetarian foods is sin too. But the process given to be free from this sin is to cook, with love, for God only, and serve Him first before eating or tasting it while being cooked. The Vedic scriptures say that God does take one’s offering if offered with deep love to Him. Once served, a food – bhoga- becomes prasadam – mercy of God, and it does not accrue sin when honored – eaten. To kill or eat a cow is very serious sin per Vedic literature. Each act of sin is not of same seriousness. Some sins are big, and some are very small. The spectrum is from zero to infinity. To cause suffering to the people on the path or righteousness is also sin. Gita says that greed, lust, and anger are the three gates of hell where the sinners are sent by nature to suffer.

 

What does bible say about how to look at and treat non-Christians?

We know that the essential being of God is love, so that when He made us in his own image, he gave us a capacity to love as he loves.  God’s two great commandments are to love him and each other, for this is our destiny.  A truly human existence is impossible without love.  This love is not only to fellow Christians but to all people.  So, to non-Christians we are to show respect to their person and to their beliefs and convictions and to share with them the Christian faith, as you and I are doing.

 

 

Definition of spirituality

It would be a focus on sacred things as the spirit, distinguished from the physical.  It could be an adoration of a god, but not necessarily since some new age philosophies look at the spiritual sense as a force or a being or a higher power.

 

S: Yes,

 

Spiritually advanced if not a Christian?

Using this general definition it is certainly possible to be spiritually advanced and not be a Christian.  However in Christian circles we use the phrase “spiritual growth’ or the “spirit-filled life” and this would be a little different because it is focused on a personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit, and would only be possible for the Christian believer.

 

QUESTIONS

 

Does “enlightenment” or “faith” ever come into being through reason, logic, or knowledge?

 

I have a hard time understanding the “caste system”.  How do you justify placing people into these categories when the government has declared it illegal?

 

One of the cardinal tenets of Christianity is the resurrection of Jesus from the dead?  How do you respond to this claim?

 

I am grateful for this opportunity to share with you and for us to learn from each other.

 

P,

 

I got both your e-mails with same message.

Yes, it is true that nothing happens unless god wished it, but the concept of god, what He does, and what His characteristics are, where He is, and how we are related to Him and what He wants us do are different in different religions. This is a major source of conflicts. When a religion says his god is jealous, that means there is another superior god, else the most powerful and supreme god cannot be jealous of any one as no one could be any close to Him in power, etc.

 

For example, the focus of I S L A M and Christianity are to gain control in this material world and not rest till all are converted. Still we see that within each religion are many sections and each fight with the other. If the freedom if an individual is respected then, there is no need to convert any one. To organize for conversion with billions of dollars and millions of missionaries is not a way per the Vedic literature. Additionally, if an enemy ideology is organized that way to convert, then that is the one against which the Christians need to do all their effort to convert and not the ones who never are a threat to Christianity. So, in that sense all the efforts to convert the so called Hindus (the Vedic people) of Bharat is a waste of time and effort and it does not help towards peace, in my view.

Sure, the Vedic people do have their internal problems. But if you are concerned about those problems, then help them live correctly according to Gita; encourage them to follow dharma correctly, instead of converting them to a foreign religion that is just a 2000 years toddler; where as Vedic dharma is millenniums old, and still living despite brutal multiple genocides caused by invaded I S L A M for almost 1000 years. Also, you might know that Christianity has done most brutal violence in Goa, Bharat to convert the Vedic people, according to Christian historians. Is it something to be proud of for a Christian?

 

Have a wonderful trip.

With Best Regards,

P,

 

Here I attempt to answer your questions.

 

Q: Does “enlightenment” or “faith” ever come into being through reason,

logic, or knowledge?

 

A: Enlightenment and faith are two different things. Enlightenment is when one realizes God, and thereafter he/she does not sin, that is, none of his/her actions are sinful. It comes by the mercy of God or by an enlightened one, but this mercy is not possible usually unless one has made some effort to realize God in present or past lives. It is said that the devotees of God are more merciful than God.

When one tries to acquire the true answers of questions like

– Who I am?

– Why I am here?

– Who created this word, and the universe?

– Why the heart beats? Who make it beat?

– Who digests the food in stomach?

– Who controls the remembrance and forgetfulness?

– etc

then he is prepared to advance spiritually. Knowing is one thing, but only living per the knowledge helps in advancement. To know something as truth, one has to trust, or have faith in, one’s self or someone else, like a guru, saint, or a scripture. Most people know when they really know or do no know something. So, reason, logic based on the truth, and knowledge of the soul and supersoul does help, but is not sufficient to get enlightenment. Faith is when one accepts something as truth without reason or logic. A faithless person cannot get enlightenment.

 

 

Q: I have a hard time understanding the “caste system”.

 

A: This is a dead horse, or almost a dead horse, that the non-Vedic people try beating over and over. It is a shame for the Vedic people because it is/was a malpractice of varna-aashrama dharma described in Gita and the Vedic scriptures. The Vedic society is designed so that every person in it has equal opportunity to progress spiritually and realize God. It has brahmanas, the intellectuals who study scriptures and live according to dharma. Then they guide the society advance spiritually. They are not after money. They live on donations they receive for some religious services they provide. Then there are kshatriyas that protect the society from internal and external miscreants who try to take away the freedom, property, land, women, wealth, lives, and peace of the people. Kahstriyas are like police and military. Then there are vaishyas or traders and merchants. They mainly do farming, trading, and cow protection. The rest of the people are shudras who are least intelligent and therefore they do labor, manual service, to the other three classes. The class is determined by qualification and the acts they do, not by birth. If you think a Vedic society as a person, then brahmans are the head, kshatriyas are the arms, vaishyas are the belly, and shudras are the legs. Each class needs the other’s service, and all can advance spiritually doing their own dharma as prescribed in the scriptures. So, those who correctly say that caste system is not good but is sin, need to help the Vedic people by encouraging them to follow varna-aashrama dharma correctly. What I described is varna, not aashrama.

 

Q: How do you justify placing people into these categories when the government has declared it illegal?

 

A: The Gov. rightfully has declared it illegal, but no Gov. is God.

So, the standard is Vedic scriptures for serious Vedic people. Again it was a malpractice and is going away for good. Besides every society have different classes. Try to invite your grand-grand boss for dinner. Most likely he/she will not come. Pope will not come to you home for diner. Nor they will invite you for dinner or dance. That is a class. In military officers, enlisted, civilians, and contractors are the classes in hierarchy.

 

Q: One of the cardinal tenets of Christianity is the resurrection of

Jesus from the dead?  How do you respond to this claim?

 

A: There is evidence that Jesus did not die on the cross. He secretly went back to India and became a bodhisattva. Ref. Book – Jesus Lived in India – by Kersten Holger, a German Chaplain.  However, miracles do happen, and no people or country has monopoly to have miracles. Knowign this the Vedic people have no problem believing that Jesus did some miracles; but he is not alone, but is one in millions that they have seen or know of.

 

P: I am grateful for this opportunity to share with you and for us to

learn from each other.

 

S: Me too. The Vedic people take the words of Jesus, “thou shall not kill,” seriously. These words do not mean “thou shall not murder.” So, the serious Vedic people do not kill animals for food; because there are veg. foods available, and no killing is required.

 

Any more questions, do not hesitate to ask.

I am glad to send along these greetings and also to respond to some of your comments that you sent to me some weeks ago.

You said, “…there is evidence that Jesus did not die on the cross.  He secretly went back to India and became a bodhisattva.”  o not believe there is any question about whether Jesus died on the cross, there are too many historical evidences of that fact.  Even the famed Jewish historian Josephus attests to that reality.  Being crucified on a cross was a common method of putting criminals to death during the Roman Empire.  The real question is not whether Jesus died on a cross but what was the significance.  His death, from the Christian perspective, was an atonement for the sins of mankind.  It was God’s sacrifice of His Son that provided redemption for all people.

As far as Jesus going to India, there is no credible historical evidence to support that view.  The fact that a German Chaplain wrote a book to that effect does not constitute credibility.

It appears very substantial that the Apostle Thomas went to India, some time after the death and resurrection of Jesus.  When I visited the city of Chennai, there was a church and some artifacts commemorating the visit of Thomas to India and being buried at this site on a hillside overlooking this impressive city.

We are in agreement that “miracles do happen”.  The New Testament describes many of the miracles that Jesus did while on the earth but it also describes miracles performed by His disciples.  It is recorded in the Bible that the Holy Spirit empowered Jesus and the disciples to perform the miracles and the Holy spirit continues to be the source of miracles today.  Miracles are rare occurrences, which is why they are miraculous events.

 

I will share more comments in future mailings.  Have a great day.

 

P,

 

To a Vedic person it really does not matter whether Jesus died on the cross or not. But that he re-deemed the sins of the mankind of all the times contradicts the Vedic view.

 

If he did re-deem, we should see all the people sin-free and not committing sins. Instead, we see that even the Christians commit sins as do others. Besides, ‘only he is the son of god and we all are bastards’ is not acceptable but insulting when one understands the view given in the Vedic literature.

 

God is not impotent. If ordinary people can have many children, then God must have billions of children. Krishna in Gita says He (God) is the seed giving father of all. Krishna was not born and died some 5000 years ago. He appeared, and went back to His abode. This takes more time to understand, and some will not understand it.

 

The thing to know is that the millions of years of Vedic history has seen a lot more materialistic advancements than we see presently, and the Vedic mind cares less about it and focuses on the spiritual science. Even Sanskrit, the ancient Vedic language, is most scientific. This long Vedic history has produced millions of spiritual giants, and Jesus is not impressive to the Vedic people, because they have seen many great ones. To them he is one in millions. Christians should feel satisfied that the Vedic people do not hate Jesus. They are not out there to convert all in the world. So, it is proper and fair to leave them alone and not convert.

 

I wish you a sin-free life.

 

S,

 

I am glad to send along these greetings and also to respond to some of your comments that you sent to me some weeks ago.

You said, “…there is evidence that Jesus did not die on the cross.  He secretly went back to India and became a bodhisattva.”  o not believe there is any question about whether Jesus died on the cross, there are too many historical evidences of that fact.  Even the famed Jewish historian Josephus attests to that reality.  Being crucified on a cross was a common method of putting criminals to death during the Roman Empire.  The real question is not whether Jesus died on a cross but what was the significance.  His death, from the Christian perspective, was an atonement for the sins of mankind.  It was God’s sacrifice of His Son that provided redemption for all people.

As far as Jesus going to India, there is no credible historical evidence to support that view.  The fact that a German Chaplain wrote a book to that effect does not constitute credibility.

It appears very substantial that the Apostle Thomas went to India, some time after the death and resurrection of Jesus.  When I visited the city of Chennai, there was a church and some artifacts commemorating the visit of Thomas to India and being buried at this site on a hillside overlooking this impressive city.

We are in agreement that “miracles do happen”.  The New Testament describes many of the miracles that Jesus did while on the earth but it also describes miracles performed by His disciples.  It is recorded in the Bible that the Holy Spirit empowered Jesus and the disciples to perform the miracles and the Holy spirit continues to be the source of miracles today.  Miracles are rare occurrences, which is why they are miraculous events.

 

I will share more comments in future mailings.  Have a great day.

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I always appreciate your quick responses to my message and responses that I send to you.  I also do appreciate you taking the time to listen my concerns and then sending your words to me.

The death of Jesus is of great significance to Christianity because it was a substitutionary death on behalf of sinners.

The Bible says we are all sinners and because we have sinned, we deserve death.  Jesus died for all people and provided redemption for all who believe.  The redemption does not mean that we are “sin-free: but the penalty for sin has been paid by the Son of God.  Christians do commit sins as do others but we now live a life in according to the teachings of the Bible.  It is a day by day growth in the Christian life that we aspire after as you no doubt seek to grow likewise in your faith.

I appreciate the Vedic emphasis on the importance on the “spiritual science.”  There have been many wonderful achievements in all phases of life by many intelligent and inspired people of history but the spiritual is more important than any other achievements.

Christianity has brought its message around the world because of the love for all people that God has placed in our hearts.  We are not out to control the material world but to bring the message of compassion.  That is why you see schools, hospitals, homes for orphans, health clinics, and emergency assistance from Christians.  When the tsunami hit south east Asia, it was Christians who were there to provide aid and to help rebuild communities.  When I was in southern India last year I saw the clinics placed in areas where there was no medical care, leper colonies, homes for children that were abandoned by their parents, and outreach to the very destitude of the area.  Christianity is not perfect by any means but at least they are trying to put their beliefs into practice in daily life.

Have a good weekend.

P: I always appreciate your quick responses to my message and responses that I send to you.  I also do appreciate you taking the time to listen my concerns and then sending your words to me.

 

S: Thanks P, for the kind words.

 

P: The death of Jesus is of great significance to Christianity because it was a substitutionary death on behalf of sinners.

 

S: That seems like encouraging people to sin. If all the Christians die like Jesus for the sins of the terrorists, then the terrorists will rule the world with their ideology. The reality, fortunately, is that no Christian sinner wants to die for any one, and never for an infidel sinner.

 

P: The Bible says we are all sinners and because we have sinned, we deserve death.

 

S: Deaths are of several kinds. Generally death means when the soul quits the body. The body, per the Vedic literature, is made of the material elements, and the soul is not a material thing but is spirit that is ever free and eternal. The property of a body of a living being is to grow, stay functioning for a while, and decay or get deceased, and finally disintegrate after the soul quits the body. This is unavoidable, and therefore the Vedic literature says us not to worry about it. The question then is – what is the best use of the body?

The answer in the Vedic literature is – to realize god. Only a soul with the human body has that ability to realize god by various ways.

 

S: A good question is what is sin? Sin is an act (or not acting when necessary or required) that causes suffering to other living beings and hinders their practice of dharma (which helps realize god.) Not causing suffering to others but the self also is sin if it goes beyond certain limit and is not prescribed by the scriptures as an austerity or tapasyaa. An act by itself is not necessarily a sin, with a few exceptions perhaps. For example, killing a terrorist, when that is the only way, has more righteousness than sin in it. The whole chains of people who are in the business of beef including those who buy, cook, and eat are the greatest sinners per the Vedic literature. There are no righteous acts that can wash that sin. The consequneces are suffering not only to the sinners but others as well. This sinning is going on even when there are plenty of vegetarian alternative foods available in the world to all. (There is scientific argument that shows it is smart to be a vegetarian.) This is sad, very sad. You may not understand, but I know well that Jesus is very happy with the vegetarians, even if infidels.

 

P: Jesus died for all people and provided redemption for all who believe.  The redemption does not mean that we are “sin-free: but the penalty for sin has been paid by the Son of God.

 

S: Again, that is encouraging people to sin. There is no incentive to live sin-free. The Vedic dharma encourages one to live as much sin-free as one can, each moment.

 

P: Christians do commit sins as do others but we now live a life in according to the teachings of the Bible.  It is a day by day growth in the Christian life that we aspire after as you no doubt seek to grow likewise in your faith.

 

S: Bible is devoid of the science of the soul. Consequently, the words “thou shall not kill” are misinterpreted. Christians somehow cannot quit alcohol and drugs. They say, “Drinking and driving do not mix.” They cannot say, “Drinking and any righteous act cannot mix.” (When I said it, my supervisor objected. He said this is America, not India.) They provide designated drivers so that people can commit sin of drinking. Bible does not seem to teach how to quit alcohol and drugs. (The Muslims grow the poppy, but the Christians consume most of it.) Those who are serious about spiritual progress, the Veda (Gita) advises them to not eat meat, not drink or take drugs, not gamble ever, and not engage in sex out of marriage. (The Christians provide all the help to single mothers, and thus encourage sex out of marriage. They cannot teach how to live a chaste life. They have created La Vegas’ where all sins are being done.) To do this is the first step in sin-free living. It is doable, but it does not appeal to the Christians. Sad.

 

P: I appreciate the Vedic emphasis on the importance on the “spiritual science.”  There have been many wonderful achievements in all phases of life by many intelligent and inspired people of history but the spiritual is more important than any other achievements.

 

S: Yes. The Base Chaplain says in the last Nucleus that spiritual progress or level or health of a person is not measurable. The Vedic literature tells and shows how it is measurable. I have shared some here how.

 

P: Christianity has brought its message around the world because of the love for all people that God has placed in our hearts.

 

S: Then why the Christians did the greatest massacre in Goa? Just recently when a Hindu was reciting a Vedic prayer in the senate on 12^th, some Christians caused disruption, and some even are calling their politicians and pressing them to ensure it does not happen again. As I (and the Hindus) know, God is not jealous and He cannot be, being Supreme; but the Bible says God is jealous. So, of course the Christians will be jealous of infidels when the Christian God is jealous. It is this jealousy, in my view, that motivates them to go out and convert in grand scale.

 

P:  We are not out to control the material world but to bring the message of compassion.

 

S: The motives of Columbus are well known. The massacre of Hindus in Goa tells different thing. The Christians did acquire the Americas, Australia, and South Africa. What happened in Mexico and the Incas?

The Christians are very active with arms and conversions in north east part of India. A serous Christian told me that by believing in Jesus he inherits this world. They bury dead bodies with the hope that the dead will rise one day. The dead cannot give up the desire to live in this world. And their God is not capable of giving brand new bodies, so He will recycle old from the graves. The message of compassion was forced on the Hindus and some Red Indians, and others. Bible was used to justify slavery.

 

P:  That is why you see schools, hospitals, homes for orphans, health clinics, and emergency assistance from Christians.

 

S: That is good, but why it cannot be done without converting or enticing them to convert? Besides, all different societies do philanthropic work. It will be appreciated more when done without any motive for converting.

 

P: When the tsunami hit south east Asia, it was Christians who were there to provide aid and to help rebuild communities.  When I was in southern India last year I saw the clinics placed in areas where there was no medical care, leper colonies, homes for children that were abandoned by their parents, and outreach to the very destitude of the area.

 

S: That is good, and would have been better if it were done without the motive to convert. Besides, others do such works as well.

 

P:  Christianity is not perfect by any means but at least they are trying to put their beliefs into practice in daily life.

 

S: I appreciate you said it frankly. We mankind have the Vedic heritage that is carried over generations after generations since the time of creation by the so called Hindus (the Vedic people). The dharma given there is perfect. It just takes time to know it well, and then practice it, live per it. If you want some examples of some perfect things that are not in the Christian history of 2000 years, I could share. Do you know that some Christians call Vedic scriptures the Devil’s work? BTW, there is nothing like Devil per the Vedic literature.

 

P: Have a good weekend.

It is a cloudy and rainy Sunday afternoon and a good opportunity to send greetings to you.

 

I am writing this email to send my response to the article, “Police arrest hate monger pastor for publishing hate literature.”  I am angered by the unChristian spirit of the Pentecostal Pastor and abhorred by the literature that he is distributing in India.  It is disgusting that this would be done in the name of Christ because that is not in keeping with the Christian faith.

However, we both know that in every faith group or religion there are zealous followers who are very extreme in the practice of their beliefs and do not exhibit love but hate.  You are an intelligent person  and you can certainly understand that one Pentecostal Pastor who promoted hate does not mean that all Pentecostal Pastors do the same thing.  When I was in India I heard of Hind zealots who burned down a Christian Church in the northern part of the country.  Does that mean that all Hindus, like yourself, are guilty of hate toward another faith.  Of course not.  I read today of some Muslim zealots killed three Christians in cold blood.  Does that mean all Muslims are zealous enough to kill people of another faith?  Of course not.

There are many examples of hate, anger, and unkind words spoken and written and they are all wrong, no matter what faith group they may represent.  Let us be careful to not  try to categorize all people of that faith group by the actions of one or even of a group of them.

 

Cordially,

P,

 

Greetings!

 

God is one, and the understanding and concept about god given in different religions is different. One can compare the messages and information in Gita, Bible, Koran, etc. and will see that some of them are more tolerant of other faiths that others. In principle, tolerating an intolerant faith is encouraging intolerance. Unjustified and foolish tolerance is suicidal and detrimental to society. I wish that the people of the world understand the Vedic dharma and culture that teaches to not go out to convert others. The need however is to convert or keeping check any faith that is totally intolerant of any other faith and does not give freedom that god has given.

 

Other thing:

Once you mentioned that your org works with prisoners. If any prisoners have desire to advance spiritually and change their personality like control passions, anger, rage, greed, avenge, lust, etc. the Vedic literature provides ways to do it. A group of experts could devise a plan and execute it and the progress could be monitored. The task is tough, but the process for improvement could be tested over a period of 1-3 years. If any group has interest to know some Vedic ways, I will be gland to share.

 

With Best regards,

I appreciate your responses to my question and statements, however I am very concerned that you make generalizations about Christians and Christianity that have no basis in fact or on critical reasoning.  A true Christian is a person who exercised faith in Jesus Christ and has given their life to follow the teachings of God as outlined in the Bible.  C hristians are not perfect but the goal is to grow in the Christian life and to be more like Christ.  It appears as if you are equating being a Christian is the same as being  an American and I am surprised that an intelligent person as yourself would do such a thing.  Look again at some of your statements:

“Christians somehow cannot quit alcohol or drugs.”

“Bible does not seem to teach how to quit alcohol and drugs…”  (Not a true statement at all.)

“The Muslims grow the poppy, but the Christians consume most of it.”   (Very slanderous)

“The Christians provide all the help to single mothers, and thus encourage sex out of marriage…”

(Christians do not encourage sex out of marriage but teach abstinence.)

“They cannot teach how to live a chaste life.”    (Not true – the Bible teaches holy living)

Inferred – “Christians created Las Vegas where all the sins are being done.”    (Money hungry investors created Las Vegas – not Christians)

It is my opinion that these statements represent generalizations that are simply a way to categorize and label people.

It would be like saying, “lawyers are liars.”  There are certainly some lawyers who lie but we would never say that

lying is true of all lawyers.    Let’s app-ly this same principle to Christians and that should be consistent with the Vedic teaching.

P,

 

Thanks for the error in my writing. You are correct there.

Still, I see no good logic when the people of non-Vedic and anti-Vedic faith go out to convert the Vedic people of Bharat who never intend to convert others by force, tricks, lures, and other means. The desirable situation in the world is that no one tries to convert the other, and conversion happens only by free will when one willingly comes to get converted. Opening a shop/mission and declaring something like, “Come, and accept this religion if you want these and these benefits.”

 

Those whose Books and religious leaders (like Pope) tell them to go out and convert need to invite the top leaders of competing religions for an open debate on TV, radios, newspapers, in universities and schools, or on the internet. Then leave on the audience if any wants to get converted or not.