Gaushal and Yogshala are symbol of fanatics?

Gaushal and Yogshala are symbol of fanatics?

From: Rabinder Koul <arrk00@ameritech.net>
To: Daniel Anson <ansondaniel@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)– Re: Gaushal and Yogshala are symbol of fanatics?

Oh!, what a display of tantrum, It must be uncomfortable to see your image in the mirror, No one wants to know how ugly they are. It is your clan of Christians who have been building a long false tale of tails. And pass this as History. It is your Crusaders in arms from who Christian Churches in South India are spreading the hate, First your masters from the Europe created the North South Divide as they did among the Rawanda between the Tutsu-and Hutus (which ended up in Genocide between them).  Now your inadvertent mental leak, that your ancestors have been living longer than mine in India is again reflection of the same Divide that Aryans came from outside. And you are so alienated that you have fallen for that. As I said nothing in you has remained Indian. You think like a foreign Christian, your heroes are looters, opportunists, thieves from Foreign land (who you worship), you look down upon Indians native civilizations (again an initial Mental leak), your sacred places are outside of India. What Indian-ness has left in you, perhaps Indian color? If it were up to you, I am sure you would want to change it.

 

The fact is that this email chain started with the Scorn you were Pouring on Gao-Shaala and Yoga-Shaala only proved my bulleted points what happens to a converted. History you hardly know, you know the narration of India as created by these looters with obvious ulterior motives. No body may have put Gun to your head, but they did much worse than that to you. You have invited this communication, since you were the first one to cast a stone, on your Mothers Bharat as you said) native traditions of Gao-Shalla and Yoga-Shaalla. If you considered her your Mother you would not cast that Stone.  Christians have not and are not building this country you call India.

 

What you call ‘Bad” (a Christian category and not Indian category) things, is done by the Christians to India. Keep these rapists priests’ sermons to yourself.  We do not have even in our dictionary these meaningless categories. Go read B Russels, why I am not a Christian to learn something more serious and at least honest.  This non-sensical Christian superstition is yours to keep.  All Don’t even attempt to go on the church Pedestal and try to sermonize me. You will face inevitable loss of face since you won’t be able to defend what you sermonize. The book on Albanian Teresa is not written by a Hindu, but by a Christian from Germany. The book Breaking India is an exceptionally documented work.

 

The Religion is a Semitic construct; Hindus do not have such a stupid irrational category. But then you would not know it. Read Prof Balachandrans book Pagan in his Blindness if you have inclinations of honest understanding. The faith followers’ acts are reflection on the other followers of that faith. For they hold the same ideological fallacies in highest regard. Their Heroes arise from it, not a lot of admirable heroes. Their hate for people not-following their faith or ideology, forces them to convert others (we Indians do not do that… such extreme destruction of civilization is not our doing).  I am well aware of what is happening in North East and who is driving it. So your ignorance of the history will work with Gullible Indians or Christians not with me.

 

 

In the end I did not start this interaction; you denigrating comments on GaoShaala & YogShaala started it. Your Christians did same thing to Ghanikas calling them prostitutes, and reflecting on them what you do to Nuns among you, who are treated as Sex Slave in Church.  The papers are replete with such revelations.

 

Those whose houses are made of Glass, do not cast Stones on others Houses, they will be destroyed if they do. So refrain from showing your scorn on Indian traditions.

 

Ravindra Koul

अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ: स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे

शिव: करोतु निजया नम: शक्त्या ततात्मने

 

On Sep 10, 2011, at 2:57 AM, Daniel Anson wrote:
Don’t need you to teach me history being fabricated by you for your benefit and I don’t have the time to explain this to you cause I don’t think it’s worth the effort.
Appreciate your thoughts which will surely help build this country.
Your thoughts only create the people who get into doing bad because of your acceptance to them.
Conversion; go read more about it and see what’s actually happening around the world rather than just ranting away .I am a south Indian who chose to convert not by someone who put a gun on my head to tell me to. Get your facts right and see what is actually happening in the NE.
Lastly I don’t demean religion by pointing a finger and abusing religious disciples like you do.
Nice words on sabotage, subverting that Christians have done, still to see In our country, not by links which are half baked, do point one fourth of what people who made a difference for poor like Ambedkar, Teresa, Gandhi did for the country rather than sit and show your hate and build more unrest from your living room .Get the real picture. You surely will make a difference to this nation with your HIGH thoughts of how to change this country…appreciate your love towards me by judging me for my faith, very mature. Strange how a person’s faith makes him the History of what happened and get attached to it. Every religion has history which had its ups and downs and don’t choose for the benefit of making your point and link it to the present, cause I live in it and I don’t think you do. You are trying to make me feel that I don’t belong here .don’t try that with me. I probably have more ancestral history in this country than you…request you not to build on this conversation as I would not like to converse with you as we don’t have the same thought process.
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—–Original Message—–
From: Rabinder Koul <arrk00@ameritech.net>
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:48:28
To: <ansondaniel@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)– Re: Gaushal and Yogshala are symbol of fanatics?

You should have listened to your advice, Because it is your community of converted Christians who bent upon dividing our Country. It is the Christians who are getting funded from Vatican, Methodist, Evangelicals, Baptists, and so many other churches to change the demography of this nation and bring it to list of another destroyed civilization.

1. What happens to a converted Christian? Don’t project the Christian hatred on us Hindus. It is Christianity that teaches intolerance for the Non-Christians. You may not have personally gone to Armenia or Turkey or Pagan Europe, but it is the same ideology that wiped them, that is trying to wipe Indian Civilization. If you want to know Check the “Project Joshua 10:40” to starters.  Next, if you love India, go and read “Breaking India” and see how your Christian brothers from India and outside are planning to finish India. Only places where there is Secessionist movements going on in India are in places where Majority of the population has converted, either to Islam (Kashmir) or to Christianity (North East). So what Love for India are you talking about. In Indian civilizational ethos we call Bharat as Bharat Mata. And Christians and Muslims are out to divide that Body of our Mother.

   I am sending you the links below on Real Teresa, and what she did.. not what you may want to believe….

   Please please do not bring in Parsis, and do not try to glorify Christianity by associating Parsis. They are real Jems of a community, have never created any problem and have always been honored.  They have always been for the country they lived in, Not Christians.

   If my relatives have settled abroad, they are not involved in secessionist activities, they are not subverting those countries with the intent of changing demography, by conversation process. They honor and respect those people and their way. That is not what you can say about Christians, who are bent upon sabotaging, denigrating and subverting the nation. Whole LTT movement in Sri-Lanka was Church and Christian countries supported. Whole North east of India secessionist movements are Christian organizations supported and supported by Christian converts from within India. Whole Dalit-Afro Movement is created by the Methodist Christian leadership from Colorado…. Whole Driavidistan Movement is initiated by Christians from within and the Christians from America, and Nordic and countries etc. Don’t think Hindus are stupid and they do not see…

   We Indians received Christians, Parsis, Jews and Chinese from outside, provided them all that they needed to make a life for themselves. Only place Jews did not get persecuted was in Hindu India, not in Christian Europe and certainly not in Muslim Arabia… So you are not in any position to teach love and tolerance.. In the South the problem with Christianity arose in particular after Portuguese Christians entered and created Havoc for Hindus and started aggressive conversion process.. Read Goa’s inquisition by that Moron St. Francis Xavier.. and others.. See how Christians subverted Indians language of Intellectual discourse to alienate Hindus from their own civilization…

   What happens when a person converts?
   What does conversion do?

 

1.   When a person gets converted, a Sitar gets replaced by Guitar.

1. The Hindu dresses get replaced by Islamic or western dress.
2. The Hindi or any local language gets replaced by Urdu/Arabic or English.
3. Praan Tyagnaa becomes meeting ones demise.
4. The sacred places within India get replaced by the sacred places outside of India.
5. Vegetables and lamb etc gets replaced by Beef
6. The historical Hindu heroes become Villains and the foreign Villains become heroes of the converted.
7. Baabar and the Akbar are sung as heroes and Prithvi Raaj, Chatrapati Shivaji, Maharaana Partap become villains and cruel.
8. Local traditions become superstition and Islamic and Christian tradition becomes advancement.
9. You change your ancestors from Manu to Adam. You become Aadmi (a descendent of Adam) and stop being Maanav (a descendent of Manu)
10. Your customs change to the customs of the Arabs and Christian Europe, and your ancestral customs become taboo.
11. You look down upon the customs and practices of the local Hindus and take pride in adopted Arab and European customs.
12. You see the in Quran or Bible as savior and the “TRUE LAWS FROM GOD” as opposed to the false hood of Dharma.
13. Every time a converted becomes a majority in a region, converted will start a secessionist movement of separating from India.
14. You use Christian and Islamic forums to attack, defame and denigrate people following Dharma tradition.

Given all these changes, I wonder what is left there for a converted to have allegiance love for India and Indian. If it was not the immediate need of survival he or she would not care for the survival of this cultural entity called Dharma. That is every effort is made to translate Dharma as religion and make an equivalence. And Hindus fall for it.

On your Mother Terrasa: Read this by a Non-Indian..
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/hitchens_16_4.html
and read this
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/MotherTeresa.html

and this
http://www.amazon.com/Missionary-Position-Mother-Teresa-Practice/product-reviews/185984054X

and this
The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice <http://www.amazon.com/Missionary-Position-Mother-Teresa-Practice/dp/185984054X/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top/186-7230494-0773215>

Watch these  for what you St. Xaviers did to Hindus, I am sure you will like it ..

http://www.youtube.com/dharmaandethics

<http://www.youtube.com/dharmaandethics

http://www.youtube.com/dharmaandethics#p/c/5C36234C982635BD/0/GT9b8n_NKGk

Enjoy, I am sure either you are ignorant and naive about these issues or you are an apt liar beside everything else I have said…
Even after that if you have argument then we can talk …

Ravindra Koul

On Sep 10, 2011, at 12:30 AM, Daniel Anson wrote:

I thought of not replying to this mail but somehow thought I must. Your thought is definitely not on the progress of this country but on dividing it.
How many people are you going to remove from this country ?? You seem to be an educated person but your thoughts are more hatred .Christians never have hatred in India which is my country to.
It’s not the terms that” I” went to Armenia and Turkey etc like you say. I am a person of this generation that believes in change for the country for the better and not by the divide. So much on history then you must also know the history of mother Teresa as well. I guess by your logic she should also have been thrown out. So much hate like you say then Staine’s murder was good enough bloodshed for Christians to rebel but there was only peace. So much violence Christians and Parsis have created in this country according to you. I need you to point out one instance of that in India!!
Throw out all races and communities from other countries as well because they don’t belong there. Can you tell me that none of your relatives have settled abroad?? Why have they?? Who are you to throw me out my country?? This is my country and don’t divide that by religion. It’s this thought that pulls are progress in our country to the future which is small and petty.
On your words ” go back the same to your mother”. I don’t think you respected your mother to talk like that about elders and people, can’t change your mind.
As for the bigger picture, my mother is the same as yours – India, and I stay with her. I suggest you start respecting her and making a difference rather than dividing her…
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—–Original Message—–
From: Rabinder Koul <arrk00@ameritech.net <mailto:arrk00@ameritech.net> >
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 01:53:18
To: <desiyatra@googlegroups.com <mailto:desiyatra@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)– Re: Gaushal and Yogshala are symbol of fanatics?

The only fanatics in this world are Christians and Muslims. Their history is replete with the ethnic cleaning of other people other nations. The moron Christians founded Secularism on the foundational principles of Protestant theology. May be this Daniel Anson does not know that. All of European constitution is based on this soft push over of Protestantism, called Secularism. The way Indira Gandhi pushed this Secularism on a Hindu nation, it can and will eventually taken out of Bhaarat. It is only a matter of time.

This member of the Fanatic Christianity will not want the hold of Protestant theology to be removed from India. It will be removed rest assured as much of this as you are assured of finite life on this earth. India and Dharma are part of 500 years of History, and still surviving. We will see how long does your cult of hatefulness last. Look at your History.

1. First you kill all the Pagans who refused to convert and then you wrote history telling us that Pagans were evil, reflecting on them your real nature.
2. Then you can to Turkey, Armenia etc massacred people there, converted them to Christianity and then wrote their history as evil PAGANS.
3. Then you went o Africa, devastated that continent, so much so they will never recover. Then you septic of the earth tell rest of the world that the African are Barbarians.
4. Then you morons bought and sold People of Africa as Slaves, and now have gall to tell us about our Gowshaalas and Yoga Shaalas.
5. Then these idiotic Morons came to India and devastated it from the 35% of world production prior to their arrival to .005% of world production after they left.
6. Then more recently you committed genocide of the fellow Semitic religion followers, the Jews. Six Million of these Jews were burned by you Morons. And I am not counting the # of hopeless Gypsies you morons killed.
7. Your laws are part of your plans to commit Genocide.

So go back the same you came from your Mother.

Ravindra Koul

On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:48 PM, sri venkat wrote:

Daniel has spoken like a true Christian out to destroy the native
religion of the country.

Wherever Christianity has gone it has absolutely incinerated and
demolished local people, cultures, beliefs, gods and plundered and
rendered the people impoverished and decimated.  So please do not
trust any Christian.  Their ultimate aim is to destroy Hinduism.
Please read account of their work below

VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
http://notachristian.org/christianatrocities.html

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Daniel Anson <ansondaniel@hotmail.com>
rather then create fanatics who make a party and then form a gov’t to run our country..laws need to change not by making gaushalas and yog shalas !
We are a secular country and not a country which is mentioned below of a
fanatic…

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I have done spell-check and punctuation corrections in the above. – Skanda